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очень интересно и доходчиво, на примере Star Trek.

Question: What kinds of things are copyrightable?
Answer: In order for material to be copyrightable, it must be original and must be in a fixed medium.

The requirement that works be in a fixed medium leaves out certain forms of expression, most notably choreography and oral performances such as speeches. For instance, if I perform a Klingon death wail in a local park, my performance is not copyrightable. However, if I film the performance, then the film is copyrightable.


у меня вопрос, однако. если у меня веб-страница динамическая, то ни на каком вещественном носителе она не существует - она генерится неким кодом в ответ на запрос. то есть, ещё даже менее вещественная, чем Klingon death wail in a local park. получается, что динамические web-страницы - не copyrightable?

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Date: 2005-06-24 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edbook.livejournal.com
dynamic web pages... if they are not copyrightable how about the content itself? I think so... this is what I seem to have seen...

Peace

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Date: 2005-06-24 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 109.livejournal.com
you see, speeches are not copyrightable, even though some of them may carry content :-)

the copyright law specifically requires "fixed medium", which leaves out acoustic waves and, obviously, state of bits in the computer memory during one particular microsecond. it is interesting though where this "fixed medium" requirement came from... I have to dig more on this.

PS. didn't know you can read russian :-)

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Date: 2005-06-24 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] edbook.livejournal.com
the person performing the speech might be reading copywritten material and as such the words but not the performance could be copyright protected... and if the performance were recorded, then it too (taped material) could be copyright protected. In my opinion. I don't know what the law would state on such.

Russian? no, I can't read Russian. I have a difficult enough time with English (as translated by 'babelfish').

Peace

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Date: 2005-06-24 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 109.livejournal.com
and if the performance were recorded, then it too (taped material) could be copyright protected.

that's exactly what example says: However, if I film the performance, then the film is copyrightable. Which means exactly this: the film is copyrightable, not the performance itself. So if somebody else also films the performance, I can't do a shit about it; he can even redistribute the film if he wants to. the same thing in your example with tape: only tape itself is copyrightable.

anyway, it's all not very relevant; my point is that internet is a very powerful beast with it's own nature, it need's it's own laws. actually, it is not my point, it's Cory Doctorow's point.

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Date: 2005-06-24 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elk.livejournal.com
Да, но ты замучаешься об'яснить судье, что такое динамическая страница.
Поэтому с его т.з. все равно какая страница - если (Ц) поставлен, то
все права зарезервированы.

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Date: 2005-06-24 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 109.livejournal.com
судьи сейчас активно обучаются новым реалиям, особенно тут у нас на востоке, так штааа...

Ага. И в базе не лежит...

Date: 2005-06-24 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kisa-i-osya.livejournal.com
И даже в теле скрипта/файлах не хранится. Нематериальная идей ее на сервере раз за разом генерит...

Re: Ага. И в базе не лежит...

Date: 2005-06-25 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 109.livejournal.com
разумеется, в базе лежит не страница. вы прямо вот так страницы в базу кладёте? или в скрипты зашиваете?

Re: Ага. И в базе не лежит...

Date: 2005-06-25 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andyw.livejournal.com
была помнится такая программа - стихоплюй.
в теории в базе могут быть только слова. общеупотребительные. неужели есть копирайт на отдельные слова? (ну исключая наверное новояз).
тогда заверните мне "х-й", "б-дь", и две "е-твоих-матери" :)

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Date: 2005-06-25 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] b-a-t.livejournal.com
Но ркзультат-то будет вполне себе статический страницей, fixed media? Вот ее и закопирайтят...

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Date: 2005-06-25 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 109.livejournal.com
не, результат - это динамическая, а не статическая станица, и ни на каком fixed medium она не существует.

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